Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Talent = Chocola = Bartle

Do you ever ponder the human impact of your vote? Well, if you're thinking of voting in favor of one of the people who think God opposes science, watch this advertisement, and think about who you're voting for.

And who you're voting against.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a great fucking ad!

Sorry for the "F Bomb", Dan's mom!

But it really is a great fucking ad!

10/24/2006 10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow.

It's about fucking time the dems grew a spine.

(Sorry for my 'F bomb', too!)

But it's about fucking time!

10/24/2006 10:54 PM  
Blogger antimedia said...

It's a typical Democrat ad. Long on emotion. Very short on facts.

10/24/2006 11:22 PM  
Blogger dolphin said...

It's a typical Democrat ad. Long on emotion. Very short on facts.

Would you be interested in refuting the facts presented? Do you have some evidence that stem-cell research can't save lives? Where are your facts to disprove the facts in the ad? Or are you giving a "typical Republican" response, long on nonsense, short on facts?


Anyways, I'm sure everyone's heard about Rush's response to Micheal J Fox's appearance in such ads. Rush says he's faking it.

10/25/2006 9:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

antimedia, I actually went to the nocloning.org site that is on all the 'vote no' signs.

There seems to be two major points you all think are mis-represented.

1. It will actually encourage cloning, and
2. egg farming will become a cottage industry.

You may be right about #1, but it's still a federal violation to clone humans. I think there is a real difference between cloning a human for the fame and glory (who really wants to be the first clone?), and cloning an egg for a control in research.

As for the second point, well, it takes a FERTILIZED egg for stem cell research. Last time I checked, my eggs weren't fertilized while still in my overys. Besides, women are already paid to donate their eggs, for both research and to fertility centers. How is this any different?

If you're truly pro-life, why aren't you protesting at all the fertility clinics where they just THROW AWAY fertilized eggs? Don't those children deserve life too? What is so different between them and the ones who are aborted? Really?

10/25/2006 12:03 PM  
Blogger reverse_vampyr said...

Nobody says the Dems don't fight back. In fact, they fight TOO much. Used to call that "gridlock" and "obstructionism" when it was the Republicans opposing a Democrat-controlled Congress.

It doesn't take a spine to create an emotionally-manipulative ad.

Dolphin,
Nobody said stem cell research can't save lives. But that ad IS short on facts.

Speaking of which, I hope everyone here will take some time to educate yourselves on the differences between Adult Stem Cell research and EMBRYONIC Stem Cell research. The former is working and shows promise. The latter has been an abject failure. (wanna check my facts? I blogged it today and linked several findings)

And the big difference here is that Republicans are against FEDERAL funding for EMBRYONIC Stem Cell Research. Not against ASC research.

If people want to fund the destruction of human fetuses for futher scientific failure, then feel free. But don't think you have a right to take tax dollars to fund cloning and abortion under the guise of finding some miracle cure.

Especially when the facts don't agree.

10/25/2006 2:55 PM  
Anonymous travelingal said...

Adult stem cells have been used for a long time to treat cancer and I have a friend who is living proof of it. She was on death's door, but is here today to testify to its success.

Then there's umbilical cord stem cells which have shown great promise. Here we have a limitless supply of stem cells to which there is no moral objection. Where's all the clamor for more research on them?

Although I have no absolute moral objection to embryonic stem cell research as long as it's not abused, I think perhaps this is more of a political issue than a scientific one.

10/25/2006 3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

antimedia - Do you know any identical twins? I got news for ya Sparky. They're human clones. It just happened to be a natural cloning that took place. But clones they are.

But this is what really ticks me off. Opponents of stem cell research and human cloning conjure up these scary scenarios where entire human beings are grown in vats and then harvested for their body parts or turned into souless zombie-slaves.

BULLSHIT!

A stem cell is a "blank" cell. It's not a skin cell, or a liver cell, or a toenail cell. It hasn't been told what kind of cell to become yet.

The whole idea behind stem cell research is to see if we can learn how to take a stem cell and tell it "become a liver", or "become a lung", or "become a brain cell", or hand, or eye, or breast, or whatever we tell it to be.

In the course of that basic research, we will discover how to take any cell from a person and "reboot it" into a stem cell. Then it will no longer be necessary to obtain them from embryos.

So imagine this. You're a woman and your doctor diagnoses you with breast cancer. You need a double mastectomy. After the cancerous breasts are removed, they take a hair clipping, or scape a few skin cells, do a mouth swab, whatever. They reboot those cells into stem cells and they grow you some new breasts. Genetically identical to yours (except they take the opportunity to remove the genetic disposition towards cancer) so there is no possibility of rejection. No lifetime of anti-rejection drugs. No painful recinstructive surgery using implants. They are your very own real boobies. And they haven't suffered the ravages of gravity and nursing!

No babies had to be killed, no zombie-clones had to be butchered. Just brand new boobies!

THAT is the goal! Not reproductive cloning (although I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever...no different than identical twins), not slave labor, not identity theft, not spare parts orchards.

Travel - I agree with you on the umbilical cord stem cells. I don't know why we don't already have a program in place that gives parents the option of cryogenically storing their child's umbilical cord as a future source of stem cells should they be needed when the science is mature. That should be an option universally covered by all insurance plans just for the promise of the money and lives it can save.

10/25/2006 6:22 PM  
Blogger dolphin said...

Nobody said stem cell research can't save lives. But that ad IS short on facts.

Again, inform us of what facts you think are missing that are relevant to the purpose of the ad? An ad is not "short on facts" simply because few facts are relevant to the point.

Speaking of which, I hope everyone here will take some time to educate yourselves on the differences between Adult Stem Cell research and EMBRYONIC Stem Cell research. The former is working and shows promise. The latter has been an abject failure.

I hope you will take the time to educate yourself as well. Embryonic stem cells show promise that adult stem cells can't provide.

If people want to fund the destruction of human fetuses for futher scientific failure, then feel free. But don't think you have a right to take tax dollars to fund cloning and abortion under the guise of finding some miracle cure.

If you think stem cell research amounts to cloning and abortion, then you are sorely unedcatd on the topic. Perhaps you ought to find sources other than James Dobson on which to base your opinion. I will NEVER understand how the religious right can claim it is MORE moral to chuck unused embryos in the trash can than to use them to save lives.

10/27/2006 9:01 AM  
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