Sunday, June 01, 2008

An Alternative Space . . .

Over at this posting, the comments had evolved into a wide-ranging examination of whatever crept into the minds of a few anonymous commenters. A few who purport to be Amy Coffman supporters had gone pretty far astray discussing a car she drives, and, finally, Amy Coffman herself visited to address some of the nonsense.

She wrote a rational and calm comment, never disagreeing with any facts that I laid out. I responded with a couple clarifying questions, and decided to keep the comments there free of further commentary so that her dialog could progress without being buried or distracted. She indicated she wanted a higher level of debate on blogs, so I asked her a giant, substantive softball of a question, and I (and a bunch of pro-Amy, pro-Jason, neutral and one pro-Spence person who have emailed me) are eager to see the dialog progress.

Apparently, though, my attempt to create a space for a respectful dialog has upset some who prefer to make anonymous allegations. So, here is a space for whatever comments you wanted to post under that thread, where I will continue to delete comments that aren't Amy's. She deserves a space of her own, and I'm willing to foster intelligent debate. Apparently, there are those who feel I'm required to host their nasty ranting, too, so here's the space for that. Enjoy yourselves . . .

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good idea, Dan. Give everyone a place where they can spew their repetitive shit without bogging down what might turn into a worthwhile read.

I also think it's tremendously cool of you to offer Amy Coffman an opportunity to post her response to why she is the best candidate. Not many political blogs are that open-minded.

Just to be snarky, though, I have to ponder whether the first sentence in her original posting - "OK, the time has come for me to personally to address the banter to nonsense that, in my opinion discredits Democrats, the democratic process, and purports the senseless world of blogging and the damage I believe it does to campaigning" - might make sense in one of those Alaskan languages she's so proud of studying?

6/01/2008 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You forgot to include Beth in your list of tags for this thread.

6/01/2008 10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous" might as well mean bullshitter (sorry generally don't like the potty mouth on blogs.) Let the drunks and bafoons post on there own "anonymous" websites.

6/01/2008 11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amy -

Please do no respond to Dan's questions. You have nothing to gain here. Dan has chosen his candidate; he has picked his fights with your supporters; he is in an unalterable position. This is his terrain, and nothing good will come from an online dialogue. Amy, let this one go.

6/01/2008 1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deleting posts? I will not read this blog again.

6/01/2008 1:45 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Anonymous 1:35 - Are you really advising her not to take advantage of an opportunity to answer the question "What is the most significant policy difference between you and Jason Kander, and why is your position the correct one?"?

Sincerely, if she thinks that the banter on blogs discredits Democrats, etc., I am offering her an open opportunity to elevate the banter, and I'm keeping the space open for her to respond. What more can I do to be accommodating?

6/01/2008 2:11 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Anonymous 1:45

Yes you will.

6/01/2008 2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous 1:45 said...

How did you know I would?

6/02/2008 10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a silly set of actions. Keep deleting posts on the old one to "make room for Amy", and then this post.

Taking your cues from Rush? These shennanigans certainly are reminiscent.

What's next, Dan's "Operation Chaos" in the 44th?

6/02/2008 11:33 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

What's your problem, Anonymous 11:33? You've got your space to post whatever you want here, and Amy has her space to say why we should vote for her.

How is that a bad thing? How is that remotely like anything Rush Limbaugh would do (I don't listen to him - maybe he does allow his opponents free, uninterrupted air time to disagree with him these days . . .)

Amy came to my blog and wanted to express her opinions, and I happily let her, and have invited her back. Anonymous commenters want to express themselves, and I have given them space to do so.

How is that possibly a bad thing?!

6/02/2008 12:45 PM  
Anonymous run for the hills said...

Anyone who has spent time with Beth knows she is certifiable. Dan, welcome to the club. She will treat you like a scumbag for a while and then without reason, do a 180 and shower you with praise and admiration. "You have done sooo much for the community and the party".

6/02/2008 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run for the hills: Beth is not like that.

6/02/2008 4:59 PM  
Anonymous A Brookside Catholic With a Conscience said...

How very Rush-like, Dan. A candidate makes one comment, and then you overreact to set the "trap".

And of course you're not doing anything other than the "right" thing. To bad no one, and I mean no one, believes you.

You've gone quite out of your way to isolate Kander's opponent.

Afraid of something?

6/02/2008 7:14 PM  
Anonymous run for the hills said...

Beth is crazy...just ask around

6/02/2008 7:17 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Brooksider -

How, exactly, have I isolated Amy Coffman, in inviting her to offer her best reason to vote for her here on my blog? Seems like quite the opposite.

Where's the trap?

I sincerely don't know how offering Amy an opportunity to present her case is "Rush-like".

6/02/2008 7:39 PM  
Anonymous Whistleblowme said...

Looks to me like Dan is doing the right thing here.

Let's see if Amy is smart enough to take him up on his offer.

6/02/2008 7:48 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Runner -

Beth is not crazy - though she was quite upset with me.

I am happy to report that those who think she is an ineffective public speaker would have been wildly impressed with how well she communicated her anger . . .

6/02/2008 8:04 PM  
Anonymous Blow Me, Whistelblowme said...

She's smart if she takes Dan up on his offer?

What a bunch of idiots you guys are. Let's all get in a circle, and try and change the subject, what do you say? Pathetic attempt, really.

Keep waiting for Amy to respond, friends of Jason, and while you're doing that we'll keep reminding people that Jason intentionally lied to the UAW, and Clem Whitman said so publicly.

Better yet, your candidate could best spend his time replying to this blog, to refute and deny his quite public charge of lying to the UAW. Or he could acknowledge it, tell the truth for a change, apologize and move on.

What say you, Jason Kander, to the public charge of lying that you stand accused?

6/02/2008 8:08 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

I think she would be smart to take me up on my offer - why turn down an opportunity to address on audience about a policy difference with her opponent?

I also might gently point out to you that it was Coffman's supporters who changed the topic from the Beth Gottstein flap to whether she bought American two days before the UAW screening, or two weeks after starting her campaign. I certainly didn't bring it up - I never cared until Coffman's supporters got so upset about it. I think either answer makes her look kind of politically manipulative, don't you?

Even if you disagree, wouldn't it be better if we were discussing Amy's most important policy difference from Jason Kander, as defined by her?

6/02/2008 8:38 PM  
Anonymous The Winds said...

blaming coffman supporters? or jason & diana detractors? we sense both are on this blog, and the jason detractors are much more vocal it would be a mistake to attribute the criticism of the kanders to coffman supporters only. and you're looking quite the idiot dan we must say.

6/02/2008 8:50 PM  
Anonymous The sane one from Kansas said...

Amy's trying to make an issue out of the fact she bought a Ford Escape AFTER she started running?!

And Dan's the idiot?

I don't think so.

6/02/2008 9:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan -- are you going to change it back to the original flap?

6/02/2008 11:12 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

I don't think I have much power to change the course of conversation, unfortunately, and, besides, this thread has no original point beyond giving people a place to post whatever . . .

6/02/2008 11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But if we post in the original thread, you are going to delete the posts?

6/02/2008 11:54 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Yes, at least until Amy replies.

6/03/2008 5:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought you said: "I don't think I have much power to change the course of conversation..."

6/03/2008 8:03 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

I can change its location.

6/03/2008 8:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd call that changing the course.

6/04/2008 8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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8/13/2008 5:42 AM  

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